Tuesday, 1 February 2011

"Ian Curtis and Annik Honoré - the Dazzling History of Joy Division"


An interview with Annik Honoré by Philippe Cornet was published at the site here back in 2010 - many thanks to nextmusic for the information.

Here is a rough translation:

"On 18 May 1980, Ian Curtis hanged himself at his home in Macclesfield, triggering the process of the mythification of Joy Division. Thirty years later, Annik Honoré, his Belgian girlfriend, is willing to talk for the first time in detail about her dazzling history with Ian, and a time which was extraordinary in all senses of the word. 


"I always expect that Natalie, Ian's daughter, will ring the doorbell of my house ... I would like to tell her my side of what happened." Annik pauses for a moment and offers a smile that gives her face a look of both charm and melancholy.


Since the publication of the book Touching From A Distance by Deborah Curtis in 1995, which largely vilified Annik, and all the more so since the biopic Control by Anton Corbijn in autumn 2007, Annik has emerged from her private shell. Corbijn's fiction would trigger a resurgence of questions about her role in the tragedy of Ian Curtis, who committed suicide two months short of his 24th birthday. Annik would rather see a shrink than a reporter, refusing to confide in the media who, especially in Britain, portray her as the evil mistress causing the fatal rupture between Ian and his wife Deborah. She would make an exception for the fine book Torn Apart by Lindsay Reade, wife of Tony Wilson, who received Annik immediately after the death of Curtis.


Having known Annik since the glorious punk years, I approached her with a strong desire to become acquainted with the flip side of this saga. One night in early June, I meet her at her home for pasta with vegetarian sauce and a marathon discussion lasting four hours.


Born 12 October 1957 into a middle-class family - her dad was a police inspector, her mother a land registrar - Annik is a child of rock music. After the Stones at Forest in 1973, the first major impact came on 16 May 1976 at a Patti Smith and Stranglers concert at the Round House in London. The language student in Bournemouth was similarly thunderstruck when she saw her hero to this day, David Bowie, at Wembley Arena the same year. The ritual of English fans, the British devotion, the "fabulous look", all of this DNA leaves its mark on the "sensible girl, clean across the board, who has always worked hard at school."


After a "crap job" at the Tour des Pensions in Brussels (...), Annik leaves for London in early summer 1979, where she tracks down a job as a secretary at the Belgian Embassy. 

Annik Honoré: There I was writing for En Attendant (Belgian cultural magazine) and I am going to concerts every night. Everything seems simple, accessible, inexpensive, the era is terribly exciting. In August, I see Joy Division at the Nashville Rooms: I had listened to Unknown Pleasures which I found to have a violence and extreme intensity. I am totally grabbed by it: after the concert, my friend Isabelle and I approach a guy near the console and ask for an interview. This is Rob Gretton, the manager, who says yes - next time. This happens, shortly after I land with my questions to Bert Bertrand (Belgian journalist) like "What is your favourite colour?" (she smiles). The musicians of Joy Division earn £5 each per concert, do not have any money to stay at hotels, and thus stay with acquaintances, just north of London. They are very nice, very friendly, flattered that a foreign magazine would be interested in them. We listen to Bowie's Low, and little by little, everyone falls asleep, except Ian and me ... Corbijn's film recounts the scene well. 

You fall in love ... 

It is my first love story. Until then, I've only lived on music, I have had a flirt or two and then I found a rare, exquisite, polished being, everything I love. It's stupid to say it, but Ian has beautiful eyes, a soft look, I feel a person suffering, fragile, right now being nice to me. 

Joy Division is a musical jolt, a new feeling! 

It is often bad in terms of sound, but with an intensity, a beauty ... it is a suspended moment, besides the concerts never last long. The reviews are glowing, I am sure they will become huge. As I also work on the programme at Plan K in Brussels, I quite naturally ask them to come and play twice, 16 October 1979 and 17 January 1980. At the time, the group were on around 250 pounds (equivalent of 400 euros) per concert. 

So there are two Ian Curtises: a guy on stage, literally in a trance, and then the private person, introverted, confused? 

On stage, he leaves himself as if exorcising all his demons, he is a volcano erupting. After the concert, he is exhausted, mentally and physically. He becomes that excessively sweet and shy person, withdrawn, full of questions about the group and his life. He has immense potential but the honesty of not realising it. He has no cynicism, no pretension. 

Why this deep anguish? 

He is overwhelmed by his own talent. I very much liked the others in Joy Division and their exceptional energy, but Ian was one metre above them. The fact that Ian has been epileptic since adolescence makes him particularly vulnerable. When he has his attacks, it makes him surreal, terribly frightening, I have seen him practically airborne. But it's also something magical as a contact between the conscious and unconscious. Suddenly, he would enter a world with no relation to reality. I understand that he needs a female presence, as it is the group's policy not to have women along with them at the concerts. Somewhere, I break this circle because Ian is in great need of being comforted. It is ever so difficult to read, later on, about horrors of "deceit", or some such ... 

But you were lovers, right? 

It was a completely pure and platonic relationship, very childish, very chaste ... I did not have a sexual relationship with Ian, he was on medication, which rendered it a non-physical relationship. I am so fed up that people question my word or his: people can say whatever they want, but I am the only person to have his letters ... One of his letters says that the relationship with his wife Deborah had already finished prior to us meeting each other. 

What was your reaction to the film by Anton Corbijn, Control? 

This is not Annik Honoré appearing in the film, but Ian's girlfriend, it is a fiction. If I speak out today, then only to protect a biographical authenticity; I have no other interest other than to talk about Plan K, Disques de Crépuscule which I did with Michel Duval. That said, Anton is someone who is immensely respectable, and came to speak with me several times, but Annik does not exist, it is Deborah Curtis who exists ...(The latter co-produced Corbijn's film, based on her book - ed.). I only saw her once, from a distance at a concert in Manchester. I was very uncomfortable because at that time, she already hated me deeply. I was Ian's "little girl", his girlfriend, not his mistress or "an affair", a hideous and vile word. 

You've found yourself sucked into a story which has passed you by, a story which has grown with the incredible posthumous success of the band! 

I still think his death was a pure moment of madness. I had spoken with him the night before, and everyone knew he was happy to go to America (the day after his death, for a tour - ed.) He was taking 20 pills a day, he mixed this with alcohol ... On Saturday 17 May, I was at a James White concert at Plan K, and Ian called me to say he wanted to see me at Heathrow before his departure to the USA. When I arrived in London on Sunday morning, I felt there was something ... Since I did not see him there, I called his parents - he had been living there for several weeks - and then Ian's father said "Ian is dead", and hangs up. I could not go to the funeral because Deborah Curtis was, as she writes in her book, "afraid I would make a scene" - something which makes me laugh, but she agreed I could go and see Ian's body at the chapel in Macclesfield ... I was devastated. Tony Wilson (Factory bosses, Joy Division's label, Ed) and his wife hosted me for a week, then Tony bought me a plane ticket to Brussels as "Annik Curtis" ... I went to live with my grandparents for three months in the country, and the embassy, where I had not returned to work, pursued me for "betrayal of the Belgian State" ... 

For years, you were left with this heavy burden. You said your parents and your brother did not know that you had this liaison with Ian Curtis, why keep it to yourself? 

My parents and I, we do not share our stories (...), they along with my brother did not know who Joy Division or Ian Curtis were. I also had a lot of guilt inside me, a married man, a suicide, I gave up my super job at the embassy, so I kept a low profile. I appreciate that my parents respected that. At the time, I had experienced a big story, and I wanted it to remain secret in a little box: it made me weak, afraid to hurt people, to fall in love. Only in 1995 -15 years after the death of Ian - that people started talking about me because of the book by Deborah Curtis. Contrary to what she wrote, I never phoned him every night "for months", on the contrary, she phoned me to threaten to "kill" me because I was seeing her husband ... as for emails and invitations that followed, I said it was a private matter and that Joy Division was about the music. 

Night has already long since fallen. Annik takes me to her attic where posters of Plan K and a bit of New Wave memorabilia are stored. She shows me Ian's letters - a dozen - one of which contains a poem by TS Eliot. Tonight, she has opened the floodgates of a profound history which lasted less than a year, three decades ago. Despite the impression of this meeting, Annik has not become a black widow. She has rebuilt her life, had 2 children - now adults - and has worked since 1985 in the same international organisation. She never ceased to roam concerts and is enthusiastic about the next visit of Benjamin Biolay. She would like people to be more interested in her work at Plan K between 1979 and 1984, or for Twilight Records, a label rather snobbish but also inventive, founded in Brussels in 1980. The next day, Annik sends an SMS wishing that "things too personal" not be revealed. But where do the borders of intimacy lie in such a story?"



Philippe Cornet

59 comments:

  1. Thanks for this, it reveals several heretofore unknown things.

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  2. thanks for..translation :)

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  3. Regardless if he was separated, and no sexual relations occurred...he was still a married man. Wait until divorce is final, then pursue or allow yourself to be pursued. I hope this desperate woman learned a valuable lesson!

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    1. I don't believe she was "desperate." Things happen and it's unfortunate Ian was married when they met. Whether or not their relationship was truly platonic no one (including you) knows.

      But it's nice to get the other side of the story so people can make up their own minds.

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    2. >>Desperate
      Inb4 OP is Deborah Curtis

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    3. It is interesting to me that she refers to their relationship as pure and chaste, then less than half a beat later says that their relationship was not sexual because he was on medication that rendered him unable to have a physical relationship. These two assertions are at odds, no? She says the relationship was pure and chaste, but then seems to insinuate that the only reason they did not have sex is because he was physically incapable of it...which would not be a platonic or chaste relationship.

      I don't agree that she was necessarily desperate, but she does sound bitter. And the fact is, he was still married and even attempted to get his wife to return to him the night before he killed himself. Annik was in the wrong and seems to have a very difficult time admitting that to herself or anyone else.

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    4. It's not Annik's duty to see after Ian and his wife's marriage. Sorry that the relationship choices of Ian Curtis perturb your sensitive moral compasses people, but the buck must stop somewhere, and it stops with Ian making his own decisions. He decided to get married young. He also decided to peruse a relationship outside of his marriage. How shortsighted to blame Annik when all three involved in the triangle share part of the responsibility for their own respective decisions.
      Even if they did sleep together, so what? Perhaps they did not subject themselves to the rabbles christian based set or values. In the end, it's nice to have more details about the situation, but I'll not be so stupid and weak to need the comforts of critical, self-righteous, personally projected judgment calls.

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    5. well said Juilis314159... well said!!!

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    6. Well said julius .i cant belive the high morality of some comments .although i didnt know ian i was on that scene and everyone knew about annik .debbie was just not part of the life he was in .she wanted a normal life ,home family etc .ian just wanted more .thats not saying he didnt want those things but it was like he was split in two .i think he loved debbie but grew apart .very far apart and maybe he would of left her .he. didnt want to hurt het but debbie should realise that he is to blame .its easy to blame the `other woman` but if he was happy with her then they would of been together still and not having problems .debbies book is bitter and at least annek did not profit from ians death .

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  4. Great piece. So great to hear from Annik and her insights into her relationship with Ian. She does not strike me as desperate at all, quite the opposite -- my impression (and from other sources as well) is that Ian and hers connection was truly deep and special.
    Anonymous above, I hope you will learn a valuable lesson that people's relationships, marital or otherwise, are a complex affair and very much depend on personal circumstances and sentiments of which, in this particular case, you know absolutely nothing about. If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please keep your cookie-cutter morality to yourself.

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    1. since you also mentioned no one really knows about it, everyone just takes their own side, so there is not such absolute justice on their affair.it's true there are so many reasons and circumstances for a relationship to happen,but at same time it's not the reason to ignore what you do would have an impact on others lives,maybe Annik is not the one to blame for Ian's death since nobody knows the truth of why he committed suicide,but completely glorifying the relationship as a romantic relationship without thinking of what did this do to the wife and the daughter? We were all born to hate and love, it's not only you who know what love is like, If Annik was in Debbie's place, how would she feel abt that? it's not simply about the morality, it's a lot more about what you did for your pleasure would change others' lives.

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    2. if mrs. curtis had been ian's "soulmate" there's no way he would search for "support" somewhere else.

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  5. Thanks for printing this. As a fan and therefore an outsider I have a lot of sympathy for all those personally involved including both Annik Honoré and Deborah Curtis. The whole thing is a tragedy. As you get older you realise that any smart answers and glib responses to hard situations just show your ignorance. Looking back on myself and friends and how we were when we were young most of the time you are lost like a cork bobbing on the sea trying to work out what is going on before the next wave arrives. In the end all you can do in life at any age is try to have a good heart and then hope for the best. Best wishes to all.

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  6. I think it's wrong to comment on his relationship with Annik. He was a grown man and if there was any sort of relationship going on, it was unlikely he was lured into it. When marriages go wrong - people need someone to lean on and turn to. Maybe Ian thought Annik was that person. She didn't go blabbing to the tabloids, so I guess she wasn't a spiteful person.

    With regards to Deborah, I can see where the resentment comes from. A death of a loved one can often cause people to have unanswered questions and blame others for it. Nobody besides Annik and Ian will ever know exactly what went on. I can see Deborah being deeply hurt and grieving. After all, she was still a new mother and she was quickly made into a widow... whether or not they were still 'together'.

    Jellybaby

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  7. Despite the hatred that people have against Annik because of what she has done or what they think she had done, i respect her. I'm not saying that it was okay for her to fall in love with a married man, but Annik truly saw the real person Ian was on and off the stage. She didn't care that he had epilepsy, and she didn't care that he was famous. she fell in love with him because he was a man of sorrows, and he was her only comforter when the times he needed someone. ( my opinion ) if you don't agree excuse my interpretation, im only 13.

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  8. I believe the wife. If you hang around someone else's jproperty be prepared to get a threat now and then. Loose women don't like that spotlight.

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    1. property?

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    2. Ian Curtis isn't anyone's "Property"
      Check out the reverse sexism going on wow

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    3. as if Ian didn't treat Deborah as property

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  9. I am a woman that has platonic male friends, and in the case of the heterosexual ones, I always want to meet their wives or girlfriends. Annik admits that she was at a gig where Debbie was present, so she had the opportunity to introduce herself. I have difficulty believing that Ian’s and Annik’s relationship was merely platonic because Annik seems to have purposefully avoided Debbie.

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    1. Even if a woman's relationship with a man is platonic, the wife (9 times out of 10) will be jealous because people are conditioned to believe that there must be *some* hanky panky going on.

      Annik stated that Deborah hated her already, so what was the point of introducing herself when she knew what the outcome would be?

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  10. Interesting comment. As a male, the reaction of women when alone, and their reaction when with a woman, is profoundly different.
    Perhaps the IC-AH relationship just was not a "biblical" one - perhaps that is what is meant?

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    1. I agree with this comment. I believe there was an obvious attraction and feelings involved but I think they just never consummated the relationship for whatever reason (medication). I was in a similar situation: married young and stuck in a marriage that wasn't working. Sometimes you just need someone removed from your circle to confide in and rely upon. In that fragile state, it's easy to suddenly feel as if you have "feelings" for the person you confide in. I wonder if that was the case with Ian and Annik. Regardless, I pass no judgements. Life is messy and we try to get through the best we know how. The whole thing makes me sad for Ian who was obviously in a lot of pain.

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    2. I know what you mean,even not marrying young but just having relationship when you are really young,it happens,actually it happens to almost everyone, once in a while you would stuck in a relationship and someone shows up and you are just attracted to that person so deeply. But I really think even it happens to almost everyone, it doesn't make it right to run away from the responsibility you have to take, we make mistakes and unthoughtful decision,but you will have to take the consequence of your previous decision instead of leaving it to the person who are still in the trouble you make.humans are the kind of creatures that always give themselves the perfect excuse to run away from things they need to confront with,true it's not good to be judgmental on Ian's relationship and,but I really think as a bystander and outsider,when I see comment like this even it's not about Ian's affair,I would still think we make mistakes but we all need to face the unsolved problems we left behind.

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  11. IC married young, grew through travel/new experiences, met someone more inline with where he was at, was ill with a serious condition, was on heavy medication, under pressure, killed himself. DC was young, insular and mostly alone seeing her lover grow apart. AH fell in love.

    No need to have an opinion.

    This has happens to many many people.

    Just love the music.



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  12. True enough!
    It becomes very clear why wives have to keep an eye on their husbands. That is also no doubt as old as humanity itself.

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  13. -- Thanks for posting this --

    I think even if they (the band) were with him and tried to be supportive, it wasn't enough.
    Maybe he wasn't stable enough to fight with every aspect of his life on his own. DC was too far apart. They were distant with each other.
    He was reserved and she was too damn shy. I don't think communication flows there.
    There was love, young love, shy love, beautiful love... Once.
    Then music happened. It was too strong, too overwhelming. He needed expression. She tried, it was difficult. She couldn't keep the rhythm of his success.

    I truly believe that AH apparition on his life escalated the whole situation.
    She was what he needed at the wrong time. That was too much for him.
    But it's an awful thing to say that is was her fault.

    He didn't knew how to handle everything and that's it.
    His struggle left us all we need.

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  14. I don't think Annick Honoré is being respectful enough to Deborah Curtis. It makes her laugh that she didn't want her at the funeral? That's a huge lack of empathy if there ever was one.

    I also think she must accept, once and for all, what she did and stop trying to play the victim. Yes, you had an affair with a married man. And yes, that made you her mistress, whether you like the word or not. It must be hard that the man you loved committed suicide and the world points to you as guilty because he happened to become a musical myth.
    No one has a right to judge on the situation; but frankly, I'd had more respect for AH's position if she was brave enough to admit what she did and stand by her love for the man, rather than the poor excuses and the "it was not physical" and the hinting "hey her wife was crazy and she threatened me".

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    1. agreed.I was the mistress when I was young,and even tried to steal someone's man on purpose when I obviously knew he was taken.I guess I was careless and just wanted sth romantic so I didn't care much about whether I could have the man completely or not, or more precisely I guess just wanted to prove that I am good enough to steal someone's man. I regret and feel sorry about what I did cause I have grown older mentally now. No matter falling in love with a taken man on purpose like what I did before or just can't help it when you know it's not sth right to do,you will have to live with the judgment and the guilty(if you have),cause what was done was done,you can't run away from it or try to make up for it, just live with it.I never think people can't change their feelings or minds once they are married or taken,it's true we can't help this it's not our brains that are working for it it's the heart,but there are a lot more than that, if you are seeing a taken man you have to realize what this will do to other people,and make sure the person you are seeing is willing to make a closure to his current relationship or not, it's nothing wrong about not loving someone anymore if you just feel this way, but it would be wrong to make the conflict by putting everyone together in the mess you cause.
      despite the comment about what Annik said,basically this has nothing to do with Ian's talent, he will always be an epic no matter what.

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  15. I can't believe at her age when she talked about this, she still sees things this way.It doesn't matter if they had sexual relationship or not,cause it would never change the fact of she was in love with a married man, love is blind, you can't help yourself not to fall in love , but you do need to have morality when it has something to do with another family, if Ian didn't want the wife and the daughter(or just the wife whatsoever), he would have divorced and taken full responsibility to his relationship with Annik. If she kept silent for so long and decided to reveal the truth because she doesn't want the world to see her as an evil mistress,why didn't she think what if Ian didn't die and still live now? Does that make the fact of their affair less guilty? If death is the only reason to make the affair guilty,I'd say Annik needs to grow up,even I'm a lot younger than her I know this is sth wrong to do.I had put myself in Annik's place long time ago, and I regret a lot and have been trying to make up for the heart I broke afterward because I realized I'd never want someone to do this to me. If you've ever grown up in a family like this, that your father does not determine to divorce your mother but still have a relationship with another woman, are you going to be okay with it and be happy all the time when you're still so young and so little? Annik is not the only one to blame, Ian was in it as well, he's a great artist but his way to deal with a relationship is awful,if he really loved Annix he would have divorced Debbie,so he wouldn't have wasted more of Debbie's time cause She was so young she could have more if this was not for her, she didn't deserve that. You can't destroy someone's life only because you want to follow your heart to the fullest, this is not the true love and free will, it's just the desire and a selfish mind.
    Basically the whole thing has nothing to do with the public, and no one has right to judge their private lives,however,after reading what Annik said, I can't help not to say sth abt it,after so many years passed if she still thinks this way, it's better the daughter of Ian Curtis would never go to her and ask abt what happened, if she really think she had nothing to do with Ian's death, she could keep thinking that way no matter what others said,but she can't escape from the truth that she had torn apart a family no matter Ian had committed suicide or not.

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    1. "the whole thing has nothing to do with the public / no-one has the right to judge their private lives"?

      Yet you do so with outrageously unforgiving and conservative condemnation. The endless detail of your unnecessarily barbed and hateful opinion toward a person who seems (from the interview) to be a very warm, thoughtful and caring woman is painful to read. Your admission to having been a mistress is surprising; your stance screams spiteful abandoned wife.

      From the outside, the story seems plain as day. Curtis, like many in that era, married far too young to someone he shouldn't have and inevitably fell in love with someone else more suitable. How dare you spew your 'morality' on the details of when, what, why and how. Especially on 'how' and 'when' Curtis ought to have behaved. In light of what happened, it seems obvious how seriously he viewed the situation.


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    2. Warm, thoughtful, and caring? Please, do tell me what parts of this interview strike you in that way. The words that came to my mind after reading it were "angry," "bitter," and "spiteful."

      Ian Curtis may have married too young, this is true. However, marriage is not a small thing, and he shouldn't have engaged in any kind of affair - physical or emotional - while he was still married. If he wanted to see someone else, he should've served Deborah with divorce papers. That he did not, and in fact begged her to come back to him the night before he died, seem to indicate he had not given up on the marriage...and if he had not given up on it, he shouldn't have strayed outside of it. There is nothing wrong with "daring" to speak about morals, and someone who commits infidelity while in the bonds of marriage (or with someone in those bonds) may not be immoral, but they have committed an immoral act. What Ian did was immoral - but what Annik did, knowing he was married, was also immoral.

      It doesn't matter if their affair was physical; at the very least, they had an emotional affair. That can be even more damaging. Annik would come across more as someone deserving of respect if she would at least admit that the emotional affair (she claims there was no physical element and so I will believe her on that point) was wrong to engage in while he was married...and if she would stand by her obvious love for him. She does neither.

      I hope someday, for her sake, she can admit the truth to herself.

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    3. Proof again of how comprehensible a wife's mistrust of other women talking to the husband is...it all makes sense!

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  16. Having just finished reading 'Touching From A Distance,' it got old seeing Deborah recount time and time again how flawed and selfish and controlling Ian was. She very much came across as a woman scorned (clearly she was) but what a lot of people don't acknowledge is that for that last year, arguably the most important year in ian's life, deborah was on the outside looking in.

    And she relates these stories about Ian as a woman who felt jilted. She was jealous yet complained of being controlled by Ian. The entire book (if you read it in a few sittings) is chock full of contradictions. And that's usually a sign that someone isn't telling the truth or doesn't know the truth. Or a combination of the two.

    As for me, I would be interested in hearing Honore's story..that last year of ian's life when she was on the inside looking out rather than being on the outside looking in (as deborah seemed to be).

    The thin that strikes me is that Deborah admits to being clueless as to what was going on; that Ian wasn't talking, his bandmates werent talking and the 'women' (the band's wives/girlfriends) wouldn't tell her anything so how can she assume to know what went on? That's the part that bothers me about the book the most: the contradictions: (Ian was selfless, kind to a fault, giving and the. A few pages later we read how selfish and controlling he was). And these comments about what 'exactly' was going on between Ian and honore and then complaining a few paragraphs later that nobody would tell her anything about Ian and honore...that there was some kind of oath of silence between everyone who treated her like an outsider and saw her as the source of ian's ills.

    I really hope that honore feels comfortable writing it all down as a way to chronicle his last year of life. In this brief interview, she spoke about Ian with much more respect and reverence than deborah did in her entire book. And I think that speaks volumes.

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  17. Annik's own words in this piece seem to contradict themselves. She says their relationship was pure and chaste completely platonic, then says that the relationship couldn't be physical because he was rendered physically unable to engage in sexual relations due to medication...which would mean sex had been discussed. Not really "chaste" or "platonic." Later, she says Deborah Curtis threatened to kill her and wished her dead, yet later on says Deborah Curtis wouldn't allow her at the funeral but did give her the courtesy of allowing her to view Ian's body and say goodbye privately. Saying the relationship between Ian and Deborah was finished and over by the time she met him, yet the knowledge that Deborah was still very much in Ian's life, as well that Ian had called Deborah attempting to get her to come back to him the night before he died.

    There are too many contradictions on Annik's part. As someone said before me, I'd have more respect for Annik Honore's position now if she would admit that she did something wrong and stand by the fact that she obviously loved Ian Curtis. Instead, she provides a contradictory account and comes off as extremely bitter - as someone who cannot admit the truth to herself or anyone else. I hope if Natalie Curtis ever does show up at Annik's door wanting answers, she will at least be truthful with her.

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  18. You can't be serious speculating about whether or not their relationship was platonic?! *gggg ... but thanks a lot for the translation of the interview, anyway

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  19. Contradictions and defensiveness on both sides. I think both believe their version but I'm not sure that either DC or AH has given the complete story. Not saying either is lying but they may be convinced that their version of the truth is what really happened even if it omits or adds details.

    AH claims that her relationship with Ian was platonic. She backs that up with: he was on medication and she has a letter from Ian telling her that his relationship with DC was already over. Why talk about his relationship with DC being over already unless trying to justify a relationship? There'd be no need to do that if things were just platonic.

    On the other side, its been mentioned that Ian asked DC to take him back. Anything other than DC's word to back this up? Ian also asks DC to leave him alone that same night. Take me back but go away?

    We'll never know what really happened.

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  20. Don't have the full story here (None of us do, really) but DC comes across as somebody with borderline personality disorder or something. Ian was 'controlling' but also 'selfless and kind' WTF? I dunno. And also her threatening to kill Annik just sounds like somebody with major instability issues. Whatever, I'm biased I guess. Blaming Annik for all this ridiculous. Shit happens. Serving up antiquated moralizations about appropriate behavior regarding a 'married man' are fucking useless here. No one can reduce complex relationship dynamics down to such over-simplified black and white terms. No one to blame here. Let us celebrate the music and move on.

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  21. Someone said something about Deborah Curtis not being able to decide about his personality. Well, I thought about this a little and I also analyzed what Annik said. So he had a different personality on stage than in his free time. I guess Deborah got to know both of his sides during their marriage.
    I can't not take her side somehow. Besides, I don't know, I can't like Annik, she can say whatever she wants. It was her fault that Ian died too, I feel like blaming her. Not only her, but yes, she really appears to me like the evil mistress

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  22. Debbie was married to Ian for almost five years, so she had to have known him much better than Annik did. Ian may have been on his best behavior when he was with Annik, so she probably never had the chance to see his faults like Debbie did. Comparing a five year marriage and a one year long-distance friendship (or affair) is like comparing apples and oranges. I’m much more inclined to believe Debbie’s description of Ian than Annik’s short infatuation with him.
    I think both women have the benefit of hindsight now, and their stories are probably slanted to reflect themselves in a better light. Annik has children and may have been married, so I assume she can now understand how Debbie must have felt when her spouse betrayed her and their one year old daughter. It is unfortunate that Annik can’t admit to this now and continues to vilify Debbie. Annik was attracted to Ian after he became famous, so I don’t know why many people think she was more deserving of him. If Annik had really been “the one” for Ian, he would have divorced Debbie to be with her. He didn’t, which speaks volumes.

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    1. Ask Debbie to publish the last letter of Ian...There is the truth

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  23. You're all making so much of this. Yes musically he was a genius and left behind so much from his short years in this world. But we are all ignoring the simple fact that he was practically a child. He got married when he was ONLY 19. A teenager doesn't know what he wants in a partner. Now imagine a teenager growing up into a world of a rockstar. He just wasn't satisfied with a normal partner anymore. And I mean 20 something people change their minds ALL THE TIME. There's no emotional stability at that age. And this woman everyone blames was JUST a girl as well. She met a handsome interesting boy who was a musician as well and it may have been after the initial attraction that she found out he was married. But I believe her saying they had no sexual relation he was really messed up at that point and most probably just needed someone to be with as a friend.

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  25. No matter how you look at it, she was a burden on the Curtis family and the band. A lousy person. Regardless of what Curtis told her, he was still very much a married man and had a newborn child which he paid next to no attention to. Honoré's presence was also affecting the camaraderie of the band members. Tagging along on tours, complaining and making demands about where the band stayed, etc. She sucked. Peter Hook's book confirmed many of Deborah Curtis's stories as well as shedding more light on the damage she inflicted. It was lousy of the Wilson's to take Honoré in. And the fact that her travel arrangements and hotels were paid for out of Joy Division's pocket while Curtis's wife was home alone and broke is terrible. Love the music but lost major respect for Mr. Curtis after reading about all this. He was a selfish, egocentric man.

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    1. "Pénis"so you are, just a small flat Pénis. You are totally wong. You have studied carefully Debbie's toilet paper book, don't you? read TORN APART. Stupid Pénis

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  26. Annik died today in Brussels, she was 56
    Philippe Cornet - Journalist
    http://focus.levif.be/culture/musique/annik-honore-est-morte-retour-sur-son-histoire-fulgurante-avec-ian-curtis-de-joy-division/article-normal-3871.html

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  27. RIP, Annik.

    It's funny how people seem to charge Annik for "being involved with a married man". Well, if Ian was married, he was the one who shouldn't get involved with someone else.

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  28. I've read both books, one with only one point of view,the other is clearly more open.
    You can say what you want but the real fact is that both women had totally opposite personalities.
    Who was more similar to Ian? Who had more in common? Who didn't blame him for everything? Who understood his problems? Who talked always with love about Ian and didn't earn a penny telling the story? The fact is that not all marriages work and people musn't be crucified for it. It can be sad or the begginning of a better life for both...Sometimes love ends...
    Ian was only a human being with feelings that changed with time...he needed a change...but pressure was too hard.We can see it even nowadays...we can see it now
    I don't understand why people are so strict with him...and so bad with Annik.
    Do they look at themselves anytime? Are they all so perfect? Have they only loved or have a relationship with only one person in their lives during their marriages?What if marriage doesn't work anymore? I guess most of the times it's not that way so I think they should stop throwing stones...Sometimes too much hate and lack of understanding make people die...

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